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26 August 2006 @ 12:44 am
Timeline and Date of the Show: Figured Out.  
Okay. It's based on many offhand comments, but they are STILL in the show, so they count:

1. Dr. Venture, when he's 10 years old, writes to the Herculoids calling them 'hippies', as mentioned in "Twenty Years to Midnight". The show originally ran from '67-'69. He has to be 10 in 1969, as late as possible to be 10 years old, because...

2....Adult Swim's website mentions Pete White's college days in the early 80s, and he was a buddy to Dr. Venture, also in college at the time. Going with the latest ages of Brock and Dr. Venture (see below), and subtracting the '21 years ago' that Brock joined the OSI, this leaves Brock as 19 and Dr. Venture as 23 during the night Brock annihilated Dr. Venture's dorm and Jonas Venture, Sr died. Dr. Venture mentions Brock is a 'freshman', and the four-year age difference means that Dr. Venture was very likely a senior, as was Sorayama, Underbheit, Pete White, Phantom Limb, and the Monarch. For the record, 23 is not an age I'd expect Dr. Venture to still be in college in. Perhaps he entered late, or his trademark shoddiness is showing. Billy is mentioned as being '12 years old' in Monarch's telling of Limb's origin story from "Victor. Echo. November." has a lot of relation to what Limb talked of himself in "Hate Floats", so I'll take that as being truthful. Therefore, Billy is eleven years younger than the rest of his contemporaries.

3. Dr. Venture lost his virginity at age 24-1983. Mentioned multiple times. Disturbingly so...(for the record, Brock lost his ten years earlier in '73)

4. By the PRESENT DAY-the latest episodes-Venture is 44, as mentioned in "Twenty Years to Midnight", and Brock 40, due to his OSI origin being '21 years ago' (in 1982) than the constant, vague '20 years ago' crud we usually got when talking of the past, like when Jonas Venture Sr died. Simply adding the 19 years Brock was kicked out of college to 21 equates to 40, which fits in perfectly with the four-year age difference. By the way, for most of season 1 Dr. Venture was considered 43 years old thanks to his age mention in "Mid-Life Chrysalis", and he is now 44 in the middle of Season 2. Taking into account that it's been at least nine months and more likely at least a year between "Ice Station - Impossible!" and "Twenty Years to Midnight", this means each season is a very rough year, give or take some months.

5. The Venture boys are presumably 16 in the present day-even with the gag of "happy 15th-I mean 16th birthday, boys!" in "Hate Floats" enough time has past that they probably are 16 by now. So they were born when Dr. Venture was 28-1988.

6. Adult Swim claims that Triana's 17, which makes her older than the boys by only a year-born in 1987.

7. Simple math means that the show as we saw it 'started' in 2003, and is currently in 2004.

QUICK AGES:
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Dr. Venture-44.
Brock-40.
Underbheit-presumably 44.
Sorayama-presumably 43 (deceased).
Jonas Venture, Sr-presumably middle aged, probably on the younger side though considering how fit he looked (deceased).
Pete White-presumably 44.
The Monarch-presumably 44.
Phantom Limb-presumably 44. He wanted to be like 'all the cool kids' at college, so he had to go to 'Super Crazy No-Way School' with the rest. Which meant Billy did, too! Yay!
Master Billy Quizboy-33. Maybe his hydrocephalus and stunted growth helps him look older.
Rest of Team Venture-presumably 60s. You can still be active but clearly a geezer at that age, and fits in with the mid-60s to early 80s timeframe of their original adventures.
Hank Venture-16. Older twin by four minutes.
Dean Venture-16.
Triana Orpheus-17.
Prof. Impossible-perhaps 50s? He looks to be in his late 20s in the Goliath Serum tape in "Ice Station - Impossible!" but that's pure speculation. I'd assume in his 30s when he taught Dr. Venture. So just add on 20 years...
Sally Impossible-presumably around the same age as Dr. Venture. She's based on Sue Storm/Invisible Woman, who was traditionally a good deal younger than Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic.
Dr. Orpheus-???

EDIT 1: If it's '21' years ago when Brock joined the OSI, he'd be 19 when entering college, not 18. But still four years younger than Dr. Venture. Which means the OSI leaving happened in 1982.

EDIT 2: "Twenty Years to Midnight" implies it took Dr. Venture about 20 years to get the message from his father on the Grand Inquisitor (due to the episode title). We know that 20 years ago he was in college...subtracting the '21 years ago' Brock joined the OSI (I'd presume happened very shortly after trashing the college room) means he's 23 as a college senior. And since Jonas recorded it 'about 20 years ago' when the team sees the video for the first time...and Jonas died (if I remember right) of a sudden heart attack (had to be something sudden, considering his state-IMPLIED, I think)...this means perhaps Jonas Sr died of overwork figuring out the Grand Inquisitor's message! After all, Dr. V looked 10 when Jonas was working on the decoding, and it took him about '10 long years', perhaps a few more. This stuff all fits in together!

EDIT 3: Sorry, May-3rd-4th is not Thaddeus's birthday, my bad. Still, he has to be about 23 during college and when Jonas died, IMO. After all, each season is roughly a year and in "Past Tense" we're delving 20 years into the past.

EDIT 4: Clarified points 2 and 4 a lot more, and fixed Billy's age by a year. Do points 1, 2, and 4 make sense? Seriously. I'd assume during season 1 it's been an exact 20 years since Jonas Venture Sr died, and the '21 years ago' for Brock's origin makes me assume he's advanced a year in age like Dr. Venture did this season.
 
 
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Paulpggmilltn on August 26th, 2006 05:08 am (UTC)
Good work!
Umbric Man: Heh Hehumbricman on August 26th, 2006 05:14 am (UTC)
Thanks. :D Even if it only took a couple minutes to deduce, haha.
Sleepy Seraphimseraphim737 on August 26th, 2006 05:29 am (UTC)
Very nice =D I don't want to undermine the work you did, but I do have one piece of information to add.

According to "Assassinanny 911", Brock first started working in the OSI 27 years ago. If he were 40 today, that would mean he began work when he was 13, and this can't be right. But the wikipedia information could be off, because I seem to remember it being 20 years ago (I can't check right now), and that would still be plausible.

But besides that, very nice work =D
Umbric Man: Swedish Murder Machineumbricman on August 26th, 2006 05:33 am (UTC)
Hmm...that is a problem. I thought it was '21' years ago? Although admitedly my mind is fuzzy on the computer text popping up. If it's '21' years ago' that'd make him 19, which means we simply bump him up a year, three years rather than four years younger than Dr. V.
Kiss Meelectronickiss on August 26th, 2006 05:43 am (UTC)
This is actually rather fascinating.
Umbric Man: Swedish Murder Machineumbricman on August 26th, 2006 05:46 am (UTC)
Haha, thanks.
(no subject) - electronickiss on August 26th, 2006 05:49 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - umbricman on August 26th, 2006 05:52 am (UTC) (Expand)
T. Revst_rev on August 26th, 2006 05:52 am (UTC)
Dr. Venture himself should be 22-why 22? Because presumably that's the last year of college for him age-wise, and even if he flunked Impossible's class, he's still 'genius' enough to pass, much less most people graduate about that age anyways.

Rusty never finished college, though.

Another data point: Pete White was the first DJ at the college station to play "the Bauhaus"; "Bela Lugosi's Dead" was released in 1979.
Umbric Man: Batmanumbricman on August 26th, 2006 06:00 am (UTC)
Another good point. I knew I was forgetting that; sadly I worried that it'd all be mucked up, as Venture continuity is actually pretty good.

Maybe the school was just late in playing it for the first time? I could see that with how out-of-date the show is.

Or maybe Rusty was indeed 10 in 1967 when he wrote the Herculoids; meaning that it was 1979 he was a college senior, which puts the show in 2001-2002.
(no subject) - umbricman on August 26th, 2006 06:21 am (UTC) (Expand)
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Anne: brucecassiejo on August 26th, 2006 07:05 am (UTC)
Remember that from "Ice Station - Impossible!" to "Twenty Years to Midnight" is nine months.
It'd have to be more than that. In Ice Station we find out that Sally's pregnant. The Christmas episode (where she's in the background and very pregnant) takes place between Past Tense and Trial of the Monarch, according to Wikipedia. From there, it's at least a year until Twenty Years to Midnight, considering how old Rocket is.
Also, Hank pointed out that the year on his ID was wrong. This bothers me, because the clone slugs are apparently the same age as the boys. The only thing I can think of is that it's a very short amount of time (a year or two) and there have been at least a few several-month breaks between bringing them back.
*groans* Someone please save me from my nerdiness?
Umbric Man: WTFumbricman on August 26th, 2006 07:41 am (UTC)
Well, a friend on Wikipedia claims it's three months between season 1 and 2, if that helps.

Cloning I'm not worried on. It seems to be the one thing done RIGHT, and they're the same age as the boys; maybe the exact birthday is wrong, but the same general age. Besides, even if they were cloned from the younger boys, they'd have to have passed 16 by now, as I said.

Hmmm...so this means, what? That Maybe Ice Station to Venture Christmas is about eight-nine months and maybe another half a year to Twenty Years To Midnight? That works, hopefully... *shrug*
(no subject) - cassiejo on August 26th, 2006 08:56 am (UTC) (Expand)
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alifeunwritten on August 26th, 2006 11:53 am (UTC)
This is really amazing. I'm actually working on a fanfic right now and this helps so much. You've obviously put a lot of thought into it! Great job! :D
Umbric Manumbricman on August 26th, 2006 12:29 pm (UTC)
Just be aware there's some nitpicks. I'd say Dr. V was 23 and Brock 19 when the OSI leaving occured, not 22/18 as I originally thought. I'll update the main list soon.
(no subject) - alifeunwritten on August 26th, 2006 12:32 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Ang D.: Venture Brothersciliandis on August 26th, 2006 02:03 pm (UTC)
I've done a lot of figuring on this, myself ... but I have to ask, how'd you get May 4th AS Rusty's birthday? Jonas Sr. just says "of your 44th year", not specifically that it's his birthday ...

I'm just assuming his birthday's somewhere between Powerless and 20YtM, since he says he's 43 in that.
Umbric Man: Swedish Murder Machineumbricman on August 26th, 2006 05:01 pm (UTC)
It was my mistake-I think I admitted to that in one of the edits and deleted it out. I'll check again.

Yeah, good point in that. I assume Brock's happened since Assassinanny-he's 21 years ago now in joining the OSI instead of just 20. He had to age a year too somewhere in the timeframe.
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thecharthechar on August 26th, 2006 02:33 pm (UTC)
Thanks! That was very interesting!
The Future Is Go!asamamoru on August 26th, 2006 07:04 pm (UTC)
I think the Monarch maybe closer to Brock in age. I don't have the dvd handy, but I believe Rusty mentions the Monarch being an underclassman in Past Tense.
Radiaradia on August 27th, 2006 01:30 am (UTC)
"You wanna see eyebrows, come to my creative writing class. There's this kid, no joke, they're out to here. And the weirdness doesn't stop there. All he writes are these way too specific poems about monarch butterflies. Total closet case!"

So no, nothing about being an underclassman. But I think it could go either way, because with elective classes like that, they're usually not grade specific.

But yeah, I just always assumed that the Monarch was younger, for no particular reason.
(no subject) - umbricman on August 27th, 2006 04:32 am (UTC) (Expand)
señoritafish: perfect TV momsenoritafish on August 27th, 2006 12:16 am (UTC)
I just find it funny that most of these guys are my age.

(And if Dean and Hank are 15 16, Rusty started a lot erlier than I did. XD )
Umbric Manumbricman on August 27th, 2006 04:33 am (UTC)
Well, they were 15 in season 1 by process of elimination. :P

And the boys are so close to my age, as well as state of mind and physical ability. Apparently this is my animated alter ego.
Radiaradia on August 27th, 2006 01:21 pm (UTC)
The Venture boys are presumably 16 in the present day-even with the gag of "happy 15th-I mean 16th birthday, boys!" in "Hate Floats" enough time has past that they probably are 16 by now. So they were born when Dr. Venture was 28-1988.

I'll have to take another look at your timeline when I have more time, but I always assumed the boys were older. With Hank's line in HF: "If I was born the year this says--" I always took it that to mean they were supposed to be several years older, maybe eighteen or nineteen, but each time they die, they were "reset" to sixteen years old.

I never considered that they might really be sixteen. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Am I the only one to assume the above?

But excellent timeline regardless. Very informative, and great for ficcers like myself. :D Thanks so much for putting the effort in.
Anne: brucecassiejo on August 27th, 2006 08:19 pm (UTC)
I thought the same thing! This last time they were reborn, there was a space of at least three months. If something like that happened at least a handful of times between clonings, it could quickly add up to a year or more. Their bodies would be at least 17, but they don't have memories for the missing year or more.
Or they're reset at 16, which I hadn't thought of. Why would they be, however? Are there sort of milestones, and if they don't get there without death they go back? (If they make it to 18, will they be reset there until they can live to 21, etc.)
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